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In case you can’t read it, it says: This photo caused quite a stir during the Vietnam war. These men were court-martia led and drummed out of the Army.


The New York Times gives us this..and says its news? Please, this crappola isn’t news..except for the fact that the Democraps are finally fallling out of love with Mukasey after the last day of his nomination hearing when he sidestepped the waterboardin g/torture issue. I hoped he was toast. Oh, and I love this line from the White House flunky:

”As he always does, Judge Mukasey will answer all questions from the Judiciary Committee in a clear and forthright manner,” said White House spokesman Tony Fratto

Give me an effin break..are they all stupid or do they think we are? This craptastic nonsense is on my last nerve. Mukasey was side stepping questions with ease, he seemed to be a pro at it.

But the Dem’s are talking in code lately..the only one coming out and saying he won’t vote to confirm Mukasey is my beloved Bernie Sanders. Chuckie Schumer looks like an idiot at this point since he was the Democrat that suggested Mukasey. In case you didn’t catch Mukasey’s dancing moves regarding torture..let me give you part of the transcript:

”It is not constitution al for the United States to engage in torture in any form, be it waterboardin g or anything else,” Mukasey answered at one point.

But during terse questioning by Whitehouse, Mukasey said he did not know if waterboardin g is torture because he is not familiar with how it is done. ‘

‘That’s a massive hedge,” Whitehouse responded incredulousl y. ”It either is or it isn’t.”

”If it amounts to torture, it is not constitution al,” Mukasey answered. ”I’m very disappointed in that answer,” Whitehouse said. ”I think it is purely semantic.”

I saw the video of this d I just shook my head in disgust. The man is a Bushie through and through. My only question is how many Dem’s will vote to confirm this asshat.

Tags: waterboardin g, Torture, Mukasey



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14 Responses to “Gee ya think??”

  1. put an unloaded side arm to a prisoners face and pull the trigger . The result is a mock execution, a legally recognized form of torture.

    The practice of water boarding simulates downing, convinces the subject that death is immenant, in essence mock execution by drowning. How can this not be legally recognized for what it is?

    And make no mistake the practice was authorized by the executive the agencies involved are doing what they are supossed to do -follow orders.

  2. If it was torture in Vietnam, its still torture now. Nothing will change that fact. It sickens me that there is still debate among some folks on this subject.

  3. Whether you are for water boarding or against it the problem I have is the way it is debated in this country. No wonder we were an easy target on 9/11.
    I can imagine how many people that were in Gitmo will now say they were water boarded whether they were or not.
    Amazing how this has been going on since WWII and this is the first time it was this publicized so sensationall y.
    And if you really think our enemies will be less brutal to our soldiers if they are captured because we pass laws against water boarding me thinks you is dreaming.
    And here I thought you guys were against religion by “Loving thy enemy”.

  4. Excuse me Lisa, but military troops that waterboarded individuals during the Vietnam war were court-martia led. So where do you get your information that it is just now being publicized? Don’t tell me Fox Noise..all ‘you guys’ love that pablum right?

  5. So Dusty did you know about it when it happened? Well maybe you were too young but most of the so-called torture that was publicized then was the the brutality of the torture methods used by our enemies. You know real torture where pain is involved and our soldiers were starved and sick.

  6. Lisa, I knew and protested the tiger cages and all the other forms of torture during the Vietnam war. I am wholly against any method of torture by anyone.

    Your argument that it’s only torture when its done to OUR soldiers is ludicrous. Real torture? Oh do tell o wise one…

    During the Vietnam war our soldiers usually had the Vietnamese army do the torturing..u nlike the Iraq War.

  7. I never saw you do a post against torture of our troops. I guess I missed that one.
    Real torture is when it is used to inflict pain and ultimately death/what we do is more for coercion purposes.

  8. Lisa, I would like to kindly ask… Who are you to decide whether my pov is valid or not? Here, for your education is how Merriam-Webs ter( http://www.m onary/Tortur e )defines torture:

    Main Entry:
    Pronunciatio n:
    \ˈtȯr-ch r\
    Middle French, from Old French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquēre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drāhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle

    1 a: anguish of body or mind : agony b: something that causes agony or pain2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure3: distortion or overrefineme nt of a meaning or an argument : straining

    Emphasis is mine btw. Notice the principle definition does not limit torture to physical pain Lisa.

    Two wrongs do not make a right lady..theref ore we should stand above stooping to any methods used by our enemies. The Geneva Convention has a whole section on torture..eve r read it? If not, I can put the link to it up for you.

  9. Oh and Lisa, and a soldier that was tortured during the Vietnam war has said this recently about waterboardin g:
    “Anyone who knows what waterboardin g is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique used by Pol Pot and being used on Buddhist monks as we speak,” said McCain after a campaign stop at Dordt College here.
    “People who have worn the uniform and had the experience know that this is a terrible and odious practice and should never be condoned in the U.S. We are a better nation than that.”

    McCain added, “All I can say is that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot’s genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today.” As for his GOP rivals, McCain said, “They should know what it is. It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture.”
    http://www.d esmoinesregi s/pbcs.dll/a rticle?AID=/ 20071025/NEW S/71025066/1 001/RSS01

    Although I rarely agree with McCain anymore, I do salute him on this issue.

  10. I didn’t know we were a better nation than any other. You wouldn’t think so the way we are all racist and don’t take care of our poor and stripped of our civil liberties,ki lled the indians,had slavery. Please show me an example of us being a better nation?
    Dusty I missed you anyway. Politics aside where have you been?

  11. Lisa, are you serious? McCain said those words not me. Do not expect me to explain his meanings and references.. ask him ok?

    I said we should not stoop to the level of our enemies.

    I have a new group blog of women..and now a couple of male keeps me busy that’s for sure! Also I have been going to San Diego lately to help my sister who had two hand operations in less than three months.

    http://siren schronicles. com

  12. Here is something else that TO just linked to about torture:

    PARIS (AP) — American and European rights groups filed a legal complaint in France accusing former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of responsibili ty for torture in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay.

    The complaint was filed with the Paris prosecutor’s office as Rumsfeld arrived in France for a visit, according to the New York-based Center for Constitution al Rights, the Berlin-based European Center for Constitution al and Human Rights and two Paris-based groups, the Internationa l Federation of Human Rights and the League of Human Rights.

    I can’t wait to see where that one goes..

    source: http://www.n ponline/worl d/AP-France- Rumsfeld.htm l?_r=1&oref= login

  13. The bottom line is that we are a nation of laws, torture is against the law in the United States and this applied to both citizens and non-citizens pre 9/11, a mock execution fits the legal definition of torture, water boarding is indeed a form of mock execution. Therefore under normal circumstance s it would follow that water boarding is an illegal practice, and practitioner s would have been prosecuted- however it has been sanctioned by the White House and a justice department when headed by Alberto Gonzalez that backed us out of internationa l treaties on the subject of torture including the Geneva convention. All told they have created a system that is reminiscent of the Cold War Eastern European Stazzi. In that they have chosen a form of torture that leaves no marks or traces to be applied to abducties in black prisons, with no recourse to any convention, treaty or law. The have created an analog to George Orwell’s fictional Ministry of Love, from the novel 1984, its a place where Un-persons are brought to give confessions and become rehabilitate d through secret torture in the dreaded room101. Its the most Un-American practice because re-writing the law for the purpose of criminal circumventio n removes the critical block that keeps the tower from crashing down. Law is our foundation. The argument has never been about liking or dis-liking terrorists that argument is ludicrous and just plain dumb; the real argument is about maintaining the moral integrity of the nation.

  14. BYOC..your comment in itself would make a good post. Well said.

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